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    How would you characterize your taste and preferences in regards to art, music, films, and literature? What do you think it says about you?

    I do think tastes are a mixture of class, nature, and nurture as are a lot of things in involved with personality development. But in particularly aesthetics are heavily influenced by class. Good taste is often associated with symmetry, pristineness, minimal color, elegance but never gaudy or "too much." It is associated with the masculine, reason, and order - the Apollonic (though I'd rather use Athena in terms of greek gods since ironically she fits more nicely into the yang part of the duality than even Apollo). On the other hand, bad taste is associated with gaudiness, the profane, a lot of color, the feminine, emotions (by way of passion overtaking the person), and chaos - the Dionysian. There are two things that are happening here:

    1) The upper class, particularly before the internet, had access to a multitude of different types of cultural capital especially in regards to the classics - in literature, music, films, fashion, and philosophy. They had the time and resources to consume media that were more complex and required more of an education. On the other hand, the poor and working class mainly had access to the lowest common denominator of culture - the most profane, superficial, and fleeting parts of mass culture as they neither had the time and resources to consume the more refined aspects of culture. There's a homogenization that goes on in both cases. With the upper class, there's definitely a defined standard as to what is considered good taste. There are certain types of cultural capital that one must consume in order to be classified as having good taste. The range can be very limited. While for the poor, gross commercialism is what they're mainly exposed and have access to.

    2) Marginalized groups also recreate their own subcultures. They have codes and signifiers that are entirely their own or in contradistinction from the commercialism and upper class tastes they've been exposed to and pitted against. Or they subvert the values of both systems. So in some ways the upper class is a lot more uniformly homogenized than the lower class/marginalized.

    Especially with the advent of the internet, most people share a mix of these qualities now that we have unlimited access to all sorts of things.

    As for my tastes, I definitely lean towards the refine and obscure since that's where my natural inclinations lie. I was raised mostly upper middle class, so I had access to different types of cultural capital. However both of my parents (mom and stepdad at the time) are fairly conventional in their tastes so neither of them really had an influence on my tastes. I'm not opposed to mainstream media on principle; there are a lot of mainstream things I do enjoy. But most of it I can't relate to. I find it boring, uninteresting, and plebeian....until you really analyze it. Of course when you analyze anything, it starts to become deeper and more interesting than initially thought. All in all, I like stuff that stimulates me- intellectually, emotionally, and viscerally. The piece of art doesn't necessarily have to be 'good' as long as it awakens something in me.

    I live in a predominately working class blue-collar town, so there's a certain of mentality that's present which includes the type of media they consume. While I appreciate working class grit and resourcefulness, there's a type of straightforward simplicity I can't relate to. The what you see is what you get types, and their taste in media and the way they consume media is an expression of that. Most importantly, they consume media in order to escape the drudgery and hopelessness of their existence, while I consume media to enhance certain aspects of my existence.
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    Atelier Hmm I feel like it's somewhat hard to figure out where I got my artistic tastes from. My parents fall into blue collar workers I guess. My dad is a firefighter and my mom has a college degree, so I don't know. My parents grew up in Portland which is very obvious I think in some ways. My dad dropped out of art school and he has continued with his artistic inclinations which include designing my grandparents house and his own. My parents style is overall pretty different from mine though. My parents love Mediterranean and Hispanic styled houses a lot. My grandpa is an artist too, and he taught the homeschool art class, so I grew up making art and being surrounded by it. My grandpa is probably a 5w6 9 3 and he was always really really big on everyone in his art class developing their own style. To this day he laughs about how my sister always did her own thing which was wrong by a conventional standard (as in what is taught in art classes), but he said he left her to it because it seemed to work for her. My sister definitely has a distinct style from him. As far as myself, from a very young age I would get into huge arguments with my mom over how I dressed. I loved pairing mismatching bright colors together and she said it made me look homeless. She never won. I still dress like this all the time. I have no clue where I got it from. I didn't watch TV as a young child and the internet existed but it wasn't something I was on. I also started dancing at the age of three when I found a book about ballet at the library. I remember the entire thing. I still have that book (my parents bought a copy for me). My taste in books is a very eclectic mix. Everyone in my family is really big on reading and reads different stuff, so I grew up reading and enjoying almost everything from Jane Austen to Tolkien to travel books to biographies to mystery novels etc. I also was homeschooled so I missed out on a lot of the popular art going around, so I'm usually a bit clueless to what my peers still talk about from their school days. Music was very wide ranging in my family as well. My mom minored in spanish in college and there were years where she played nothing but Norteno spanish music. I remember as a toddler my parents used to play the Cranberries and I latched onto it as my favorite artist and I still play them to this day. There was a lot of other music in my family as well. My parents loved various cultural music from Irish music to Norteno as I said above etc. My dad has always kept up with music and plays basically everything. He got obsessed with Muse before I did and played it for like a year. Then he was playing dubstep, and now he's into Kanye West I guess. hahaha. The only thing I can say is that I was exposed to so many styles of art as a child that it's hard to say what exactly predisposed my own tastes aside from the fact that there was no inherent push from my family towards any one thing.
    The day is done, and the darkness

    Falls from the wings of Night,

    As a feather is wafted downward

    From an eagle in his flight.


    I see the lights of the village

    Gleam through the rain and the mist,

    And a feeling of sadness comes o'er me

    That my soul cannot resist:


    A feeling of sadness and longing,

    That is not akin to pain,

    And resembles sorrow only

    As the mist resembles the rain.

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      #3
      To open my commentary, I'll share my old post from enneatude.

      Here were some of my subsequent comments under my own post:

      My favorite 9 knows how to hit me right in the groin. That ANGRY GROWL though. Fire & water. This man is LIFE


      And THIS is how you do a ballad. Holy hell


      When I had my voice, I sounded more similar to her than Joni Mitchell. I got deep down in there. I can't stand this light, leaving off the note before it's done. Every single one has to be held out and drawn out with vibrato.

      Marilyn Manson knows how to mix 'weird' with fucking raw and alive. This guy is an alien from the depths of hell. And its super fucking sexy when he crawls around wiht his weird white ass up in the air. I used to have sexy dreams about him.



      This one has no video, but this is how to do "off tempo." Trent Reznor-- this is the cathartic process of releasing energy when you're a disembodied alien and you have to dig it up from way underground. This song is closer to my heart than almost any other on Earth and it has no lyrics, it' sjust primal. Yet one day it hit me that the time signature is 5/4. This man is a genius. I can't stand time-signature , math-metal style music, I need it to HIT THE HEART - but he does that while still using music theory in daring ways (I have this in common with him. Not claiming that I come near his genius, because even if I were healthy I never could but... I have the same style and approach of advanced theory sneaking in behind something catchy and primal. ANything too emotionally distant just turns me off.



      Tool videos can be a bit too heady for me, but this song hits it where it hurts



      I want what I want
      i want what I want
      I want what I want
      I want what I want

      --

      {I can't post that many videos but I will post the rest as links.}

      Amy Lee was pressured by the label to have a rap artist on this album. She didnt want it. But she managed to negotiate with them so it would just be on one song- the best one. Well.. she hates it, but I fucking love it

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YxaaGgTQYM

      Amy Winehouse can get too jazzy for me, but this song is super catchy, simple honest heartfelt.. memorable. The theme... so well done. I love the video story telling along with it..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAfLE39ZZ8

      Kilian got me into Queens of the Stone Age. I absolutely love this song. A perfect "mirror mirror on the all" 693 song-- "I appear missing," ..so damn human

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9OfBcjyxKY

      This 5ish/6ish dork gets right in the feels

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2IuJPh6h_A

      I love this woman's videos. I was laughing when so many people in this group saw her as pretentious , fake etc. I love her overblown, hit you in the head spectacle and her style. Feels much more real to me than most of the crap I see every day.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3sg1sDhX0U

      People have all these overblown ideas about 8s being strong the day they were born. It's not true. Listen to Lzzy Hale's lyrics (she is 8w7). She's asking, do I have it in me? Am I strong enough? This song is about her coming into herself, knowing she has the strength to face her trials. "I am the one I've been waiting for" -- she also waited for someone else to save her, just like many other women

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hkmuTvkp_s

      This..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxxrKSUkPQc

      This song kills me.
      I was obsessed with someone for years who kept fucking with me.. but then when he saw me with someone else, he sang this in the bar at karaoke looking right at me. He was an incredible singer and it ripped me open

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQACFQfKfO0

      When I was 13 or so, I was planning to kill myself and had this song on repeat. Then it inspired another song which I wrote. The song I wrote was so far beyond anything I'd written before, and I loved it so much, that I decided I couldn't die becuase I still had songs to sing. (The irony..)

      I ended up losing my virginity to this song later, on repeat.. and I soon after lost my first lovee.. I guess you could say a huge part of me died that day. So I did end up dying to this song, but not in the way I thought...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60J6HlvfePM

      Why is it that type 5s hit me deepest int he feels? They're supposed to be unfeeling robots.

      This hot as hell

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMZoiatUQJE
      That was just part of the thread, but you get the gist. My commentary as I'm listening is raw, feeling based, visceral.

      That said, I'm not sure if it's correct to call it low class. Literal world-class musicians have called me a prodigy songwriter as a child, and my work then was probably more 'simple' than it is now. I got 100% on NYSSMA state exams for singing, which challenged me to sing opera in other languages. I got 100 a few times, a few years in a row. This is not an easy feat. I was also able to sing and play the power ballads from the best Broadway plays at the time. I definitely was all about mastering music theory itself, my singing voice, and my performance - and the top class musicians in the world noticed this, and singled me out from the 'profane crap.' My music taste is along the same lines as how my music is, although of course as an artist my touch is mine, my style is mine and no one else can compare to my specific execution exactly (nor to each other).

      My father, who was a famous rockstar in the sixties in a very musically advanced but 'feeling based' band, along with his world-class musician friends - have said things to me along the same lines as what I posted above: that they are bored by over-intellectualized, 'pretentious' music. That being a technician is doing something complicated, but being a MUSICIAN is making people feel. Some of these people are 5s.

      So you might find a different reception regarding 'class' when it comes to the world of 'musicians who were paid the most for their music' in the 60s. Nowadays, pop music is truly profane, but that hasn't always been the case. And those people -- including myself - have high standards for a song that has a catchy melody that you remember afterwards, lyrics that hit you in the gut but are also insightful, musicians that really get in the groove rather than just 'math-ing' -- etc. Back then, people took it for granted that songwriters wrote the songs while musicians played them, and that musicians and songwriters alike understood music theory. This is not the case today.

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      • Animal
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        @Atelier
        I have so much more to say on this lol, this is just the beginning =D

      • Mahat
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        do it hahaha

      #4
      I'm copying my end of the conversation from chat. As a musician who grew up with someone who was a famous rockstar in the 60s, his world class musician friends, and being picked out by Broadway people, getting 100% on NYSSMA exams singing opera in other languages and thus getting the attention of some really high-class music people -- I know that conveying emotion in a song is a highly valued attribute. A lot of people hanging in those crowds were recognized for technical expertise, but I was often picked out as someone who could convey emotion, rhythm, nuance - which marked me as a 'real' musician. Of course, different elites had different ideas about this, but I can say with confidence that in higher "classes" of musicians, there is value placed on this.

      There are 'classy' musicians who overdo opera, jazz, and other technical feats, and get a lot of applause for it. But then there are elites who are even more loved by the public, who make the distinction between 'real' musicians and 'technical experts.' I've been invited into such conversations so many times during my life, I can't count. Especially my early life when my voice was technically up to par. So, I am not sure if the true distinction is that 'classier' people like heady music whereas lower classes like hearty. I do see what you're getting at, because there is a level of crudity that just isn't classy no matter how you slice it-- which pervades the music industry nowadays. But in earlier years, when melody and rhythm were key components to a 'good song,' there was also a class above the class that you're talking about. The class who said "those people picking out this overcomplicated stuff are elitists, but not attuned to what makes a real musician." There's always someone snootier (apparently, in this case, that would be me ).

      Really though, I don't care if something is classy or not. Me and the people I'm talking about - we're on the level of snooty that is beyond caring about that, and really hones in on the central themes that make someone a true musician, someone 'in the flow' .... someone who has it. It's inarticulable, yet to those who get this, it's obvious. That's why we're the ones who might pick up an unknown diamond in the rough from the streets, realizing that he or she has tremendous, world class potential as a musician - and introduce them to the right people or invite hem into the band. I have done this myself.

      That being said, the trend you notice is real, and the type of musicians who I'm talking about --- also recognize this. It's kind of a joke among some music crowds that "liberal elites think this is music" when it's a bunch of jazz players showing off their music-math, or weirdos trying to out-weird each other for the sake of being weird. There's something about 'down and out' musicians who sing from the groin: truly talented (and often successful) musicians actually like them better. They want to feel it in their own loins. Mozart, in his day, had this kind of Dionysian reputation.


      haha. theres a lot to unpack too
      because the things you said about class are poignant observations but it's so complicated, like what is class for music -- if it was opera or classical, then a major thing they emphasize is that real musicians communicate feelings
      in the music community there's always this divide
      the ones who are considered 'not real musicians' vs. the ones that are
      and among higher circles it's always agreed upon that technical expertise like overdone jazz or metal is junk
      unless it hits at the heart
      and melody is key
      etc
      but then ofc there are these elite liberal jazz or metal circles who will not understand the difference between hitting the heart and not
      and it's something that can't be communicated to people who don't get it already
      which is why those top world musicians always picked ME out because the fact that i get it is so obvious
      just in how i play

      well yeah, among music that 'hits one's heart,' different people pick different ones
      but im talking about musicians that no matter what they sing it's in the groove and in the heart

      it doesnt matter if you personally relate or not
      so it's not subjective
      whether it comes across to this person or that person
      isnt the point
      because even the most amazing REAL musician like freddie mercury, his stuff might not appeal to everyone
      but no one would say he isnt a real musician
      queen doesnt match my feels, but
      that guy is fucking talented
      period
      as is every musician in the band
      it's not about just feels but the groove, the beat, the timing

      well you havent played with these people. the distinction is important
      i had to write on my guitarist wanted ads "if rhythm and melody is not the most important part of a song to you, please don't apply"
      and people would write to argue with me
      "well what about rap songs that dont have a melody or etc etc"
      anyone that showed up saying they knew EXACTLY what i mean and thank you omfg
      was always the people who could play well
      who could hold out one long note on guitar and you feel it in your bones
      who could drag out that note.... into your soul

      but it's inarticulable. like i said, musicians either get it or they don't
      i dont know her well but this is a technically talented singer whose relationship with the melody falls flat



      this is what a musician (in that genre) sounds like



      that doesnt mean that im dictating what you can like or can't like
      i dont care
      i like some crap too haha
      but just saying if someone cant understand why i'd say whitney houston is a real singer and rihanna isnt then they likely are not a world class musician
      she doesnt have better songs either.
      but i dont know them all very well so i cant get too deep in to that
      "i will always love you" is a well structured pop song

      [the other person posted music]

      i mean i had music beyond this level in my basement live growing up
      every year at my parents' parties
      it is good
      but just saying it's not like anyone in my circle would be super impressed
      it's pretty basic 4 chords
      type of thing
      this is what i grew up listening to. i could sing this and play it on piano. but it required striving. i could play most rock & pop stuff in my sleep




      i had to actually practice to sing this song well.
      if i had a chord chart in front of me, i could play any song in any key . i could transpose the song into another key WHILE SIGHTREADING.
      for the first tme.
      as long as i had heard the song once
      and thats what a MUSICIAN does
      but ofc, thats technical skill too but this is what i mean with knowing theory
      being able to sing this and bring tears to people's eyes is another part of it.

      "being able to sing this" good luck rihanna
      i had that technical skill when i was 10 so i am not too impressed by crap songwriting.
      matt bellamy writes real songs

      jeff martin, with all his emotion, would sing this (phantom) well.
      he might not have the RANGE to sing it but that can be learned
      provided he's not like me (physical ailment)
      but he could do it with emotion

      but yeah, missing a few notes bc of your range isnt really my complaint. it's more that most people couldnt MOVE you by doing this
      singing a REAL song
      once you pull them out of electric land
      theyre nothing
      they write around their voice and capabilities
      but when you pluck them out of that setting
      and challenge them to do phantom or opera
      they fall apart
      but freddie could do it.
      whitney could do it.

      i can relate to someone's music without saying theyre a great artist. ofc, anyone that "does art" is an artist. especially if they take the time to put something amazing together. but when whitneys, freddies and beethovens exist, i won't be admiring them
      i won't be picking them out as real artists
      if that makes sense

      this is the person that others told me my voice used to sound like
      all the time
      please listen to this whole thing

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      • Animal
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        Note that if we're talking about 'class' I have to refer to others, because class is a social thing. I can't just talk about my personal idea of what makes good music, which was the intent of my enneatude post.

      #5
      Ok now that I got those explanations out of the way.. Atelier

      I think your wording of this, Apollonian vs. Dionysian, is interesting. In most fields, the truly best performers in that field, who are most respected and classy - would be Apollonian. I think the reason that I, and other musicians who are much more "world class" than me -- may react this way, as in 'those Apollonian people don't really get music" --- is because music in and of itself is a Dionysian endeavor. Of course, Apollonian approaches can be taken, but it will never be the pinnacle of what music is there to express. I may be insane but I wonder what you think about this. Complex topic, and interesting way to discuss this -- a brilliant one if I may say so. Thank you for starting this thread.

      https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendrick...-and-dionysian
      This article talks about Nietzsche and how he believed we need Apollonian and Dionysian aspects in society. So for those of us who embody the Dionysian currents of music, we might think: why do supposedly 'classy' people want to ruin what music is at heart? Its purpose is to transcend boundaries and they are trying to put it back into over-technical boundaries. It feels deeply "wrong" to those who really tap into the flow of music, to expect music of all things to be 'contained.' It is the one place in public society where libido as a life force can be expressed, and everyone can share in it.

      Weirdness for weirdness' sake - is Apollonian. Being weird is a concept, which exists relative to the current norm - not a primal emotion that pumps the blood of mankind. As for "technicalities for technicalities sake," this is obviously Apollonian. To me, the 'balance' in music should occur here. The end result and point of music is to be Dionysian, but Apollonian principles are applied when a musician hones his craft. However, honing the craft allows the Dionysian sentiment to run even freer and to communicate something more beautiful. On its own, it's purely an exercise in discipline.

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        #6
        To clarify:
        The discussion about "class" is a bit difficult unless I make something clear, which I just realized I didn't:

        When I'm having conversations about what makes "real musicians" vs. what makes "tech people," I'm talking to other musicians who know the ins and outs of music theory, have put in their 10k hours on some instrument or other, and in most cases, have played shows professionally. It is assumed, to me, that if you're evaluating whether someone is a 'real musician' and that is even entering the equation, you're talking about a person who bothered to master their craft. The "class" of people who I would talk to are all this way, so for us to distinguish how "classy" or valuable someone else's music is, is a very different conversation than the one I would have with an amateur or a non-musician.

        Then there's a different category: music collectors, appreciators etc. When I'm talking to people like that, I have to explain that the way I see it, 'class' in this field is not about being elegant or 'careful' about libidinous expression - but rather, that no musician will be considered 'world class' without having mastered a technical skill. Most people distinguishing world class musicians from technically skilled musicians would expect that the musician's mastery would be combined with "conveying feeling" and being a vessel for pure emotion that really moves people. In general, highly trained and renowned musicians agree with this sentiment - and this is why articles like the one I posted would say that music itself is Dionysian rather than Apollonian. The Apollonian side is the mastery of technical skill, not the sentiment behind the presentation per se.

        There are lots of musicians, artists, etc who can create work that I enjoy and relate to. Some are amateur, some are pros due to labels but haven't put in their 10k hours, some are just unique people getting their vision out. This is fine but it is not going to be considered a 'world class musician.'

        Obviously, regardless of my own tastes, Joni Mitchell and Bob Dylan are 'high class' musicians, very capable, masterful and expressive of what they do. My taste is a bit more 'in the hips and in the heart.' But this is different from 'profane and superficial.'

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        • Mahat
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          I find good art to be something that hits acutely. Whether that be in the head, heart, hips, and/or genitals.

        • Animal
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          YES! That's a good description <3

        #7
        Heh, I spend a lot of time thinking about my preferences, but somehow it's difficult to actually explain a lot of this.

        Probably the best way to describe my taste is theatrical or animated... literally so, as I often prefer animated movies and such over live-action. Real people feel so flat and unappealing to me, while animated characters are much easier to connect to because they are so expressive and captivating. There's something about how animation has the power to make everything feel more vivid and alive than reality. I think it has to do with Ne/Si-valuing, though not every Ne/Si-user prefer animation.

        Would say this is a good example of what I tend to be drawn to:


        And I tend to think of myself as more Dionysian for sure, but perhaps my preferences are more Apollonian than I expect. For example, it occurs to me that this song has a very Air-like quality to it, which I believe is more Apollonian in nature.
        But feels Dionysian because I generally listen to whatever I find arousing in some way. Can't imagine listening to music for any other reason, but there's so much music that's not arousing at all, that people must be listening to for other strange reasons.

        (It's also a more mysterious type of air, so you could say I like an air of mystery... or a mix of dark and whimsical.)

        Speaking of myths, I like things that are very atmospheric like:

        But this is also more melancholic.

        I also like for things to have some romance to them (and don't mind things being soap opera-esque =P), though in reality I find it quite awkward to express myself romantically, so it feels contradictory as I don't see myself as much of a romantic...
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        I suppose it has to do with vulnerability, though I didn't even have any experience with being betrayed. =P


        And yeah, I like musicals a lot. It all goes together. With a musical, it's also more interesting because then there's the story as well. And I like how it's so effective at making me emotionally engaged but can also be also mentally stimulating or it can pique my curiosity if I don't know the full story and such.
        Also... I can feel somewhat self-conscious talking about my taste in music because I don't really have any technical knowledge and I don't pay attention to genres or any of that stuff, but I would also say the music I like tend to be more catchy, and I prefer songs with lyrics I can understand (so I don't usually listen to music in other languages other than English or my mother language), partly because I think it's more interesting if the lyrics have something to them, but also because it creates more of a "hook" on a sensate/carnal level as well since it gives my brain something to latch on to and it feels more satisfying (and the way someone enunciates certain words or phrases can be so sexy even if they're not necessarily singing about that). Like a... snappy-ness, or granularity that keeps it from feeling too loose or detached.

        (I mean, lyrically this song feels kind of... simple, but the performances are delicious to listen to)

        Anyway, I feel like preferences are innate. Like some things you are instinctually drawn to regardless of anything else, but it's influenced by your environment in that you are limited to what you have access to. And things you are exposed to a lot from a young age will leave imprints on your psyche that will cause your preferences to evolve in a certain way. And I am rather nostalgic, so it helps if something is laced with nostalgia in some way, but that's something that catches me off guard more often than not, as in I can't necessarily evoke such feelings deliberately.
        And well I imagine it has to do with being brought back to a time where I was closer to a primordial state, and this more susceptible and... Dionysian, I guess.

        I suppose my Christian upbringing could have some influence on certain things, though I would also get bored with how black and white it often seemed, especially with my grandma (and I'm not particularly spiritual or religious myself, also not really aroused by the idea of God's Love), but it might have played into my liking of themes of forgiveness and redemption, "humility" and such...


        Reminds me my mother often played this (Norwegian version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deck_of_Cards]The Deck of Cards[/url]


        In a way our tastes are kind of similar in that both like things that have not only an emotional intensity to them but also feel imaginative. The exact things we tend to like differ, though. Makes sense as she's older and so tend to like older stuff.
        Although she also said that the things I listen to tends to sound too "harsh" to her, but I think there's a lot of softness as well. Certainly, I prefer things that are more on the melodious side. And while I like things to have an intensity to them, I also appreciate subtlety or more underlying intensity than big spectacles (though I can enjoy the latter as well... depends on my mood and variety is important).

        And I think my taste in visuals is already implied in the videos I posted, but I also used to draw a lot and my idea of the kinds of visuals I like are also more refined but also more overthought. In a way it's more Apollonian than my taste in music because I get so perfectionistic (or perhaps a better word is overly careful) about it and it gets in the way of the creative flow. It's one reason I like making collages because then it's easier to play around with the visuals. To be honest, though, I'm not very interested in art outside of animations and comics, and when I make collages they feel kind of like comics as well.

        And I didn't entirely get into what my preferences say about me, but I think some of it still got through. =P It occurs to me that the songs I picked revolve around themes of mistrust or duplicitousness a lot, and those themes are interesting, but there are other themes and elements I like as well so I didn't necessarily intend to focus so much on that. However I think one reason I get drawn to these is because I like the tension of it. Feels sexual in a way. Although there are still other elements present as well, some of which are harder to put into words.
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          Actually I think a lot about how my preferences might be connected to my type and such, been trying to tone it down a bit but it is interesting.

          One thing that's funny though I ended up not posting any examples like that, is that I listen to a lot of songs that have to do with death in some way. Funny because in reality, I'm actually quite terrified of death.

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          Actually, I had someone describe my thinking-style as granular too. Think it has to do with being an introverted judger/Ji.

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        Well I was thinking about this while making my "ideal image"-collage, as I feel like the images I went with are relatively down-to-earth in a way. Although I'm drawn to fantasy, some grander themes and such, I mainly like to focus on characters, and character dynamics in a way that's more down to earth, more so than archetypes and such. And for example, symbolism can be interesting but without something concrete as well it doesn't mean much to me.
        It probably takes more for me to find something ungrounded though, or for something to register as unreal. And I'm usually bored with things that feel too mundane. With that said, I do like things to have some texture or "heaviness" to them. I think I've talked about this before, when talking about my collages. As I like for them to have a "magical" feel, but usually I go for pictures that feel more... subtly magical, rather than something that feels super ethereal.
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          (Honestly dislike a lot of my older collages now but this one I think is still good)
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