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    Brooke Shields





    I am going between a couple of E-types for her core but would like other’s perspective.
    “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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    “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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      #3
      So much focus on what was expected of her, and the 'pressure' of everything.. and how to reconcile the opposites between the image people wanted her to uphold and the reality of living her life. Nervous awareness of all the eyes watching and the 'responsibility' to please them, and the judgment that would come down on her....

      Six core.

      And FiSe. There's tremendous authenticity in talking about her own 'personal' take on things and all the things that happened to her, and the pop eyes as she unravels her story, but I go with Fi first instead of Se because she sits so still. And that bell like princess voice in the kid video is very Fi ish. However it could also be SeFi. she has a lot of immediacy and popopopopop in the last video.

      She's so willing to reveal all these things about her personal relationships, in a very splat messy and slightly inappropriate way - so I'd say three fix is less likely. There's not much revelation of her own 'personal vision' like a separate unique thing that makes her stand out -- but she is quick to lay out her relatives and friends and rip them apart. This is relational focus. 2 fix. She also has a sweet angelic purity about her which makes me lean 2w1, especially with her saying she wasnt pretty enough or needed to be prettier.. and she's not "friendly/voluptuous welcome' like 2w3. Also so much judgment. He was gross, horrible, this one's good this one's bad, I like this one but not that one.

      There's a SPLAT authenticity about RELATIONSHIPS that fours lack - fours want to express a separate personal vision within. And.. yeah the longer I watch this, three just feels very wrong. I thought there was something 3 in the kid video but a six posing at three would make more sense.. plus she was still slightly inappropriate even then. She wasn't saying "The Expected Things" - like "my Christian faith.." she was just saying, this is my ideal and maybe it will change.

      9 fix. Probably 9w1 given how proper she looks and the lack of 8ish expansiveness. The expansiveness is her heart flowing out like a 2, an abundance of ideas and feelings about interrelations.

      So I currently lean 6w7, 2w1, 9w1 - 6w7 because it's more social/involved. She can't have 5 on top of two one wings, she would be more detached.

      Also want to point out she's expressing a lot of bottled up resentment about having to pay for everyone, having to "be Brooke Shields" and uphold the image people gave it etc. I see this resentment in the heavy one wings. But its not 1 fix because it's more of a saga.

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        #4
        Wow. Holy cannolis. You picked up on so much, @Volcana.

        🙏🏻 Thanks for this. I am going to take my time going through what you said.

        To me type or fixation or anything Enneagram-wise isn’t just about “me” it has to do with so much more. It’s all interwoven with our immediate family and this can be hard to parse out. So, while I did post this because there was something about me that Broooke Shields speaks to in her personality, that felt relavent and I couldn’t grasp on, there is also something beyond.



        “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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        • Volcana
          Volcana commented
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          So sorry I had missed this before. I was in another argument and went too fast

        #5
        I was going to leave this to percolate after what you wrote, Volcana.

        But here goes: I can’t see 6 core for her. She’s not a head type. She’s a shame type or else connected more to shame but not by way of thought or any brainy/anxiety/type of orientation. I asked because my top types for her were sp 3 sx 3 or after those two possibly sx 9.

        What you said about blame, I see as pretty common. Most people who parrot, do this and it’s not a marker of 6 in my my book. I think it gets put down to 6s being more prone to laying blame as one of those E-dump piles. If anything, with the exception of a small number of severely damaged and messed up 6s I have known, E6s are not given to voicing to the blame/victim narrative.
        “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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          #6
          In my experience, the blame/victim narrative happens with unhealthy 269s in any order. Of course, this is not to say they all do it. Some are healthier, etc. But this is the achilles heel of the tritype, regardless what leads. I say this from lived experience, not from reading about bad literature on six. Remember I've fallen in love with a six and married him, and prior to him both of my major exes were sixes, and I've been close to quite a few as friends as well. My ideas about six no longer need textbooks to be justified.

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            #7
            Totally agree with you on 269 trifix victim narrative. I might be missing something but not seeing it as much as you are with Brooke. I actually had her as 369.
            “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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              #8
              Actually, I am seeing 7w6 core for her. Very heady, lots of talk-talk-talk. Overthinks her actions. But at the same time, she is super-extroverted and lacks a barrier of sorts - barrier being super-ego core or image core - in my opinion.
              If not that, I'd go for 6w7,. When Volcana said 6 I thought "yeah seems good for her" but my initial impression was 7 and I'm going back to it.

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                #9
                I could see 7! She reads to me as a clear head type - and actually, Auburn has typed so many 7s as Fi leads!!!! Not that it's a deciding factor. But the point is, she looks and seems similar to them.

                She's not an image type. In that last video she was not showing the kind of dignity that core image types do. It was more like, ideas, ideas ideas, and much less automatic sense of how it might come off to the audience. As a kid she had this kind of "purity" vibe which can be 7--> 1 .

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                  #10
                  Daeva Thanks, Interesting impressions.

                  So to be clear, you see all super-ego and image core types (Thus, 1,2,3,4 and 6) having some kind of barrier?

                  If so, can you explain what you mean by this? I’m not sure I get you.

                  I see that she is engaging and responsive to others when she’s “on” as are many in the 2/3 line, which in interviews of course means talkative. But these can also go the other way when not on and become quite openly needy, sulky and non-talkative. She’s been open about that as well.

                  I don’t find 7s a rule to be this “naked” with the more negative aspects of their life nor are they as “feely” in vibe. Brooke is like a damn handkerchief.
                  “Without craftsmanship, inspiration is a mere reed shaken in the wind.” Johannes Brahms

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                    #11
                    Originally posted by ledyanoy View Post
                    Daeva Thanks, Interesting impressions.

                    So to be clear, you see all super-ego and image core types (Thus, 1,2,3,4 and 6) having some kind of barrier?

                    If so, can you explain what you mean by this? I’m not sure I get you.
                    Compared to 7's specifically, yes. Type 7 is notorious for a certain lack of inhibition, though there are always some of course. 6 wing etc will increase inhibition. Brooke does show plenty herself, but those look to me to be plenty of the type 6 variety.

                    Image type barrier is different. It's not exactly a barrier, though it can be. It is a filter to deliver the message that is the self. "I" is the message, and the image type will shift according to the reception of this image that then also establishes an interpersonal "you and me" dynamic.. The image center controls the emotional atmosphere. I don't see much of this with Brooke. She seems rather stiff and incapable of having nuanced display of image presentation. Heady concepts, on the other hands, come easy to her. She is very "quick" in her retort.

                    I see that she is engaging and responsive to others when she’s “on” as are many in the 2/3 line, which in interviews of course means talkative. But these can also go the other way when not on and become quite openly needy, sulky and non-talkative. She’s been open about that as well.
                    I think this can be any type, really. 7's for sure get sulky and non-talkative as well.

                    I don’t find 7s a rule to be this “naked” with the more negative aspects of their life nor are they as “feely” in vibe. Brooke is like a damn handkerchief.
                    That's the thing, I don't see her as being feely at all. To me she is all buzz-buzz.

                    I disagree with you on type 7 and negative emotional nudity. Perhaps our concept of type 7 differs, but in my experience 7's tend have an easier time than most others in divulging their sadness in the public eye. One example that comes to mind is Joaquin Phoenix, who I see as a 7, playing the most sad-sack characters, one after the other.

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                      #12
                      Interestingly, the 7s in enneatude have been most likely to post really sad, morose collages. Not all of them, but it's very common.

                      Also ledyanoy sorry if my post sounded like I was blowing yours off. I wasn't - was just in the middle of another argument at the same time and I was brief. I'm enjoying the dialogue.

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                        #13
                        F**k!! I missed posts above. Just read them. Will comment when awake

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                        • ledyanoy
                          ledyanoy commented
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                          Take your time. I will as well. It seems that there are some differences in what we perceive (you, Daeva and myself so far) and also in some things ascribed to type expression. I will flesh out my thoughts on the things that have been brought up so far.

                        • Volcana
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                          Cool me too. I was beyond sleep deprived last night. when I have a chance I'll look further and elaborate more.
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